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Remove mandatory CnC rule in Art board
The rule that posts in the art board must offer CnC is silly.

It's narrowing the kinds of reactions that people are allowed to post in response to the art. Sometimes people just wanna say 'Woah, that's sick dude, keep it up'. They don't wanna go into some deep critical analysis of the art. From the perspective of the artist, we don't need a review from everybody, we just wanna see how people respond to our art.

Unfortunately, in the name of 'quality' posts, threads in the board don't get many replies, if any. Not many people wanna post their response to the art because of this restrictive rule.

I know I'm not the only one who neglects posting in the Art board cus of this.
I agree, I actually sent an in debth request to have it changed about a week ago. I pmed it to suomynona, AssassinPro, Fear, and Icky.

Heres what I said

Originally Posted by KDigityDog
So, I would like to discuss an art board rule I feel should be changed or at least revised to some degree.

"Posts along the lines of "Nice head!" and "Thank you"s following them are useless posts. Explain your opinion on things and how things can be fixed, or why(s) to your compliments."

Why have this rule? If I can't publicly admire somebody's artwork and not get infracted why is there an "Art" board and not have it be called "Constructive Criticism"?

If you go to a museum and look at a piece and say "wow, that's stunning! I really admire how the artist used the blues and greens to show emphasis on the facial expressions, and the use of lighting gives an amazing dramatic feel to the painting as a whole".

^What normal person is going to get up and say that??

People more likely to say simply "Wow thats really cool" but they get infected if they say this one, and potentially even the previous as well considering it doesn't give any pointers.

Its called the "Art" board so people should be able to say what they feel about somebody's artwork/video and not be blatantly censored.

Infracting people for expressing how they feel about something on the artboard is just pure irony it's almost comical really.

While I see that cluttering up the board with "Nice head" would be annoying that's just the side effect of people actually liking something... so why is it inherently a bad thing?

Instead of the rule "Posts along the lines of "Nice head!" and "Thank you"s following them are useless posts. Explain your opinion on things and how things can be fixed, or why(s) to your compliments." say
"Explain your opinion on things and how things can be fixed, posts that don't reflect/incorporate the Elements and Principles of art will be deemed a useless post"

Elements of art


Principles of art



An example of a good post adhering to the rule adaptation(Head example by VitieK)

^Before I feel it would be a gamble to even post the "Post2"version.


I believe with this adaptation to the rule It will easily allow you to say you like the post. With this people deleting and infracting posts will have a list of things to deem the post adequate or not instead of "or why(s) to your compliments".

Personally I feel the rule should be gotten rid of all together but the adaptation to the rule I proposed I feel would greatly improve it while still maintaining some order to the art board.

Thank you for reading.


Basically my rule rewrite offers people a much easier way of expressing their opinion while also still giving some form of a useful post. you are able to say 'Woah, that's sick dude, keep it up' basically all you have to include is an aspect of the art you liked or disliked.
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Having trouble finding where it says a post needs to be CnC. There's a rule in Off-Topic where you need to explain your answer to a question, and this is the same.

@KDigityDog: The goal ultimately is for you to talk about the artwork at all. Deleting posts that I can move to a different thread at random, and have it still make sense is not a bad thing. If you want to publicly admire something an artist put actual time into, you can take the time to explain why you like something.
Originally Posted by Kaneki333 View Post
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@suomynona "I think getting rid of it entirely is a step too far, since that can end up with a lot of shitposting. I think making it as restrictive as clear cut as KDigityDog is suggesting would probably run into its own issues, especially with less clear cut media formats."

Yeah you're right, I honestly completely forgot about the writing aspect of the art board.

I do like the idea of making it an "I liked X[blahblahblah]" or "I disliked X[blahblahblah]" as long as it relates to the OP

and your alternative idea is very interesting too

@TyZi
Originally Posted by suomynona View Post
The Art Board's constructive criticism rule is being pulled out for discussion

TyZi I get what you are saying, but I personally don't believe it should be left to any degree of chance whether you or somebody else deems it to be a useless post or not and run the risk of being infracted. If the rule is changed there is would be nothing stopping sombody from still posting that, and if they want to they will. If I am truly amazed with somebody's work I wouldn't just go "wow nice job" I would give a good response.
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tldr

I heavily support this
I got banned for shit posting because of this rule SOOOOO many times (mostly by arctic)
And I just decided to never even look at the art board EVER
Since somehow just complimenting the artist and his art is a shitpost and not cnc

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10 pages of bans because of this, supported.
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Be more straightforward with your uplifting messages or I'll fucking skin you alive.
I very much support this. Why shouldn't people be free to just post their thoughts on a piece of art without getting infracted?

It's not like art is getting swamped with 1000s of posts that would dilute the 'useful' ones anyway, what's the harm?

What's more is that newer art makers can get really encouraged by many of the posts that are currently being deleted, and I think that's just wrong
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It's been a thorn in my side for awhile that the art subforum is, in my opinion, overmoderated. I don't think that it should be held to a higher standard than off topic's rule about validating your opinion. A little "I like this a lot because x" really should be good enough.

The fact that something like:
Wow! Nice head texture. I really like how the green lines bring out the red in the nose region

can be cause for an infraction in some eyes is just silly. You don't have to criticize art to appreciate and talk about it. I'm in favor of changing the C&C rule to the same "say why you like it" policies of off topic. Also, criticizing other people's critics is fine, I know in the past people have been called out saying "your critique is wrong here's why", and those posts have been reported, but that's silly. This type of relevant dialogue about art is good for the forum.
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Originally Posted by Sunther
Why not just make multiple recolors? Also if you sere to sell this id probs go 200k no matter what they say id offer 200k
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Also pls finish this and sell it cus i wanna get mah hands on this (not sure if im buying yet)
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And btw i like the third one best

Originally Posted by Sunther
Somehow this might be the onky cartoon/anime head i like its ery well done

Guess for name:Sam

Some of the awful posts that you guys were infracted for in a short time period, resulting in a ban.
Suo did not remove any rules from the thread, he changed one instance of "fixed" to "improved".
Again, there is no rule requiring CnC, only that you explain why you like/dislike a particular artist's work.
This board is for CnC, not exposure. If your objective isn't improvement, take your videos to Entertainment & Media.

refers to video editors not just ignoring comments, but shitting on them. The rule was added for a reason, and is listed specifically under the "Video Rules" respectively.

@Bodhisattva: Have you ever even read the rules?
Posts along the lines of "Nice head!" and "Thank you"s following them are useless posts. Explain your opinion on things and how things can be improved, or why(s) to your compliments.

No one would touch your example post, see the above posts. You can see infractions, we aren't deleting posts like that and think it's funny that you think so.
Last edited by TyZi; Jun 18, 2017 at 08:11 PM.
Originally Posted by Kaneki333 View Post
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@Tyzi

I was infracted a few months ago for this post

Originally Posted by Moop
The greatest balloon-related feat ever attempted by a toribashian

Well done dear friend

My infraction notification said:

Originally Posted by Arctic
this post doesn't contain cnc. next time, try to explain why you like his art.

read the rules

So yes, people do get infracted not for including CnC

I know you think this kind of post is classed as 'awful', but our point is that the makers of such art like these posts, and the whole point of the forum is to be an enjoyable environment for the game's players. If you think posts like this do deserve to be infracted then you're taking your role way too seriously and have severely lost touch with why the majority of people want to share their art.

If I had made reference to liking a certain colour he used then my post wouldn't have been too different from Bodhisattva's example that you find so funny.

On a side-note, could you try and be a bit less condescending?
Last edited by Moop; Jun 18, 2017 at 09:12 PM.
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