Well yea for sure it won't come to an end, I myself am 'unharmfully' racist to my mates of colour and I unfortunetly see it as funny and so do they. But atleast this can maybe tone down the hate that is around a lot to do with race. But even saying this I get triggered at Asians swarming my country. It's going to be a hard thing to do but atleast there's a decent amount of awareness coming out of this. Obviously the riots aren't good but typical MURICA
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Originally Posted by Mallymkun
I'm not really sure what question is being asked by the OP, but regarding George Floyd, he was a criminal convicted of numerous drug charges, for invading a woman's home with 5 others and pointing a gun at her. This was a deeply messed-up individual, and should not be portrayed as a martyr by any movement or person.
No one said he was a perfect person, his needless death served as the umpteenth reminder that black people are being treated unfairly in the US.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
As for the idea that there is systemic racism in America, it is a loosely defined statement that requires proof and evidence. I haven't seen that proof
Gonna go out on a limb and say you're not looking for it.
alright guy
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
The point was that a dangerous person is more likely to end up in a situation where he's killed by a police officer. This goes against the narrative that police are actively out-to-get black people.
He wasn't doing anything dangerous before he got executed
He served jail time for his crimes
A bad thing happening to a bad person* is still a bad thing happening to a person
*debatable if Floyd was at the time of his death, people can change
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
Unfair assumption, you don't know me.
If you are looking and you say you haven't found anything, you're either blind, willfully ignorant, or completely dishonest.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
It's all well-and-good sending me links - and I appreciate the effort - but what I'm after is evidence that systemic racism exists in your words. Feel free to quote others, but I don't have the time to read a bunch of books to get to the point. If it's so obvious that systemic racism exists, then it should be easy to explain to someone, like me, who is presently unconvinced.
"Systemic" implies a whole bunch of things. Where's the institutional and systematic racism in America? Can you point to any institutions?
Vaush (the 34 minute video guy) has a document with a sort of cliff notes version of why institutional racism is a real thing. The section that talks about it is credited to Rose Wrist. Links to sources are above the conclusions drawn from them.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...rE/mobilebasic
Some highlights:
Originally Posted by Racial bias in the justice system
Studies seem to indicate about 61-80% of black overrepresentation in prisons can be explained by higher black crime rates, with the unexplained portion largely attributable to racial bias.
Remember - the factors which lead to disproportionate criminality amongst black Americans are also in large part a product of racial bias. Underfunded public programs, redlining, generational poverty, bad schooling, and myriad other factors which influence criminality can also be traced to racial bias.
Originally Posted by Drug imprisonment and race
While White & Black Americans admit to using and selling illicit drugs at similar rates, Black Americans are VASTLY more likely to go to prison for a drug offense.
In 2002, Black Americans were incarcerated for drug offenses at TEN TIMES the rate of White Americans.
Today, Blacks are 3.7x as likely to be arrested for a marijuana offense as Whites, despite similar usage.
97% of “large-population counties” have racial biases in their drug offense incarceration.
Originally Posted by Nationwide traffic stops
Analysis finds the bar for searching black and hispanic drivers’ cars is significantly lower than the bar for white drivers.
Additionally, black drivers are less likely to be pulled over after sunset, when “a ‘veil of darkness’ masks ones’ race”.
Originally Posted by Sentencing disparities
Extensive multivariate regression analysis indicates black male offenders receive 19.1% longer federal sentences than similarly-situated white male offenders (white male offenders with similar past offenses, socioeconomic background, etc.)
This disparity seems to stem mostly from black males being 21.2% less likely to receive non-government sponsored downward departures or variances.
Non-government sponsored departures and variances refer to deviations from standard sentencing guidelines due to judicial discretion.
Black males who do receive non government-sponsored departures and variations still serve 16.8% longer sentences than white males on average.
In contrast, when sentencing length follows standard guidelines, that disparity is only 7.9%, and a substantial assistance departure for both groups nullifies that disparity.
IN SUMMARY - much of the sentencing disparity between similarly situated black males and white males comes down to judicial discretion to deviate from standard sentencing guidelines.
BONUS - regression analysis suggests violence in a criminal’s history does NOT explain sentencing disparities between black males and similarly situated white males - the effect of that factor seems to be statistically insignificant.
Originally Posted by Death penalty and race
Analysis of 33 years of data from Washington State to determine which characteristics best predict the decision to implement a death sentence.
Black defendants are 4.5 times as likely to receive a death sentence as similarly-situated whites.
Other factors (presence of aggravating circumstances, involvement of sex crimes, hostage-taking, etc.) explain only a small fraction of the disparity in prosecutors’ and juries’ decision to invoke the death penalty against black defendents.
Race was by far the most influential statistical factor.
Originally Posted by Implicit bias in larger society
Results from three separate studies on perception and racial bias show people have a tendency to perceive black men as larger and more threatening than similarly sized white men.
Participants also believed the black men were more capable of causing harm in a hypothetical altercation and police would be more justified in using force to subdue them, even if the men were unarmed.
I hope that helps.
alright guy
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
The man was arrested for using a fake $20 dollar bill. He also had 19 nanograms of meth in his system, and 2.9 nanograms of THC, a psychocative ingredient found in marijuana. So I doubt he changed much - if at all.
He was suspected of using counterfeit money and as far as I'm aware the public doesn't know if he actually was. Let's save our stances on drugs for another thread.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
Of course, this doesn't justify killing him.
Following you.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
My point is that bad people - which George Floyd clearly seemed to be - are more likely to end up in situations like this.
But you said this
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
Of course, this doesn't justify killing him.
The whole issue is the fact that he was killed
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
Wouldn't the systemic racism narrative have more impact in being applied to a more innocent black person rather than a drugged-up criminal like George Floyd?
There are plenty of examples of fully innocent black people getting shot to death (Tonakai mentioned their situations, names are Stephon Clark and Breonna Taylor), Floyd was the latest in a long line of blacks that received unjust excessive force from police officers.
I think the reason why this situation in particular garnered more outrage than the others was because people had nothing to do during quarantine, so instead of working with the injustice in the back of their minds, they protested because they had nothing better to do. This is just conjecture and might be insensitive towards the movement. Tell me how I'm wrong if I am. Maybe that came off as arrogant. Shit.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
I can only choose out of those three? No fair!
Okay, a fourth one: you're not looking in the right places. (It's just a joke, please don't start a debate on who determines what the 'right places' are)
alright guy
Originally Posted by Thorn
the nature of floyd's character is irrelevant; the protests are not about him specifically and I think that's very obvious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
Originally Posted by Thorn
and arguing about floyd's nature to discredit the movement is myopic and immature
The death itself was fucked up and the cop should definitely be tried for murder. But if I remember correctly, right when George Floyd was murdered all the headlines were like 'White Cop murders Black Man' and the media was automatically trying to pin the murder as a hate-crime, meanwhile the newly released Body-Cam footage pretty much shows it was never about race, and in my opinion this makes all the rioting even more silly.
Remember this? Still think they are going to do it ?
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/George-Floyd-will-tour-the-South-in-hologram-15443773.php
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