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if we're genuinely talking skill wise

tell me what any modern dueler can do today that diamond cant do

what have they done that makes them different??
Originally Posted by tabby View Post
It's an interesting topic to bring up, I agree with the sentiment that more multiplayer legends are due (along with MMA, artists, modmaking, etc)



It is an important statement, but I don't necessarily find it to be very... true? The youngest legend prior to my inclusion I think was Static, who registered in 2014 and received it from very specific circumstances. If we exclude him, the most recent legends are from like 2012 or older. I don't feel as though this is a problem with multiplayer specifically but just a problem with the legend system as a whole which is now hopefully being rectified. I'm not exactly young myself, I registered 11 years ago. There have been legends historically who received it like 4 years or less after registering



This point confuses me though, I feel as though legends are intended to be for the community (their idols, who they look up to and resonate with) and so those that aren't "generally liked" I find would be odd inclusions that would surely upset more people than would be made happy. Replaymakers are playing by the exact same rules as comp players, it's not anyone's fault that the comp environment typically leads to toxcitiy/scamming and the like which can make it more difficult to justify, though there ARE some comp players that have been missed

I encourage you to write nominations about those you feel deserve it pretty please ^_^



I agree with everything you said here, although after clicking through 10+ replay makers including yourself and jagger they damn near joined around or after the time that I did. I say it’s important because in a sense it feels like it’s a bit biased. I can’t quite explain it at the moment but it feels like there’s a stipulation in order to be here based on mp skill.

Yes you are absolutely correct that it’s hard to justify putting toxic and or scamming comp players next to the basically Tori-idol list. I had a slight suggestion for potentially a separate list because imo skill will always shine what someone is capable of. It doesn’t matter if my surgeon is an asshole or someone I would have a beer with. Each are great at what they do. Honestly If there’s an issue with behavior, then you can be more stringent on them if they wish to receive that “recognition” but maybe that’s just me talking, there is a slight bias in what I’m saying.

I 100% will make suggestions once I figure out how to :/

Side note again, congrats on legend you are a true uke toucher
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Originally Posted by skizz View Post
duelers and the multiplayer community in general have always been known to be the most toxic pieces of SHIT!!!! for as long as the game has been alive

anyone that u suggest will be a tough sell doesnt matter how good they are


ESPECIALLY AFTER recent events of duelers publicly shitting the bed for everyone to see (Yonker lol)

Yes that’s the only hard thing I Can acknowledge is their reputation it’s wholly notorious. But I just can’t stand to see that there is no recognition of mp skill. It’s hard. I know you have done some crazy shit in the past Mr. 7-1 but I can only imagine if you pulled off that 7-1 10 times that you have nothing to show but a forum post
Last edited by nine; Mar 29, 2026 at 09:32 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
I'll add up on skizz's post.

There are some OGs legends who was recognized due to them being really skillfull. The perfect example would be Leyz or Ticux.
They were one of the first if not the first top notch mp players and the skill gap between them and majority of community was HUGE, they were skill gaming pioneers.
Diamond also got that cuz he was really good without competition in a while. But now we have loads of really strong players like Shev, iTemp, Kros etc.

If we will think "Toricredits earned from skill" those guys back in the days was DOMINANT, nowadays it is more like pouring huge TC bank from one cup to another, cuz all top duelers are good and their winning/losing is caused by unnoticeable things. (tho iTemp for me personally stands out)

In general getting legend status should be via being a community staple (e.g. Nirs) or being a pioneer in something.
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UPD: Join Date has to do nothing with getting a piss name
Last edited by USB; Mar 29, 2026 at 09:39 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Originally Posted by Basil View Post
by repeating the process that was just described, simply with lower numbers. and also probably either scamming people or spending real money on a virtual currency in a game from like 2006 take your pick really

Then statistically they are more lucky than a lottery winner or they’re good enough to win that coinflip consistently. Itemp did not scam or buy that 85kk. That’s impressive regardless. Keep in mind there are people like jenson who took the money from tc sales to support themselves. And there are others. The value of the faz coin is irrelevant if you can make money off it
Last edited by nine; Mar 29, 2026 at 09:43 PM.
Originally Posted by nine View Post
Then statistically they are more lucky than a lottery winner or they’re good enough to win that coinflip consistently. Itemp did not scam or buy that 85kk. That’s impressive regardless. Keep in mind there are people like jenson who took the money from tc sales to support themselves. And there are others. The value of the faz coin is irrelevant if you can make money off it

did you miss the entire point of my post? if you have magnitudes more wealth than the other person you can simply keep raising the stakes until you inevitably win and "bank" them. banking people is completely irrelevant and has little to do with skill. duelers pick their battles based on who has less money and then go around telling people they banked someone when in truth they won 1 coinflip after losing 5 of them right beforehand, simply due to their higher amount of wealth.
alternatively you can do usd duels which is literally equivalent to going on stake and booting up big bass hoping for a profit, like actually just go gambling atp
Originally Posted by skizz View Post
if we're genuinely talking skill wise

tell me what any modern dueler can do today that diamond cant do

what have they done that makes them different??

Well, that's the thing, skizz I WOULDN'T KNOW. We are in 2 different time periods, "But diamond played in 20_ _CL and won!" Well, yeah, diamond is fucking goated clearly. But does that just make everyone else irrelevant? As I mentioned before, MP has limits on what can be done, given what has and hasn't been done. And idk how much TC, USD, etc., diamond made unless there was a statement made. But in terms of today, there might be some people who can pull things off
Michael jordan IS the BEST basketball player ever though. If you say lebron then ig im fine with that, but saying that mj wasent the best like its a fact? Thats just stupid.
And by best i do mean how good they were, not how much they achieved, he was the best.
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Originally Posted by USB View Post
I'll add up on skizz's post.

There are some OGs legends who was recognized due to them being really skillfull. The perfect example would be Leyz or Ticux.
They were one of the first if not the first top notch mp players and the skill gap between them and majority of community was HUGE, they were skill gaming pioneers.
Diamond also got that cuz he was really good without competition in a while. But now we have loads of really strong players like Shev, iTemp, Kros etc.

If we will think "Toricredits earned from skill" those guys back in the days was DOMINANT, nowadays it is more like pouring huge TC bank from one cup to another, cuz all top duelers are good and their winning/losing is caused by unnoticeable things. (tho iTemp for me personally stands out)

In general getting legend status should be via being a community staple (e.g. Nirs) or being a pioneer in something.
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UPD: Join Date has to do nothing with getting a piss name


I do agree that legend is a staple. I've had enough people discuss that here, so I will budge on that, but I will stand for the idea that they need to be recognized and or credited. Officially.
What you said about the diamond just made my earlier explanation tie back in.
I think it's generally unfair to I guess have that same idea of the TC being dumped from here to there because of how true that is, it's not really possible any other way way :shrug:. The game is on the verge of death, yet the requirements stay the same. So theoretically. MP duelers will never get legend past the date of 2021 because the game just isn't giving them the outlet to show themselves off.

That's why I made my statement earlier about the join date: unlike replaymaking, you can come in late and still be recognized, because you have all the time and practice you can manage. Those who play MP don't have that luxury simply because of declining player counts. You cant show that you deserve a title. Its unfortunate and with how small and niche the community is it would be nice to acknowledge that
Originally Posted by nine View Post
Well, that's the thing, skizz I WOULDN'T KNOW. We are in 2 different time periods, "But diamond played in 20_ _CL and won!" Well, yeah, diamond is fucking goated clearly. But does that just make everyone else irrelevant? As I mentioned before, MP has limits on what can be done, given what has and hasn't been done. And idk how much TC, USD, etc., diamond made unless there was a statement made. But in terms of today, there might be some people who can pull things off

then why the FUCK are u talking about it
Originally Posted by Basil View Post
did you miss the entire point of my post? if you have magnitudes more wealth than the other person you can simply keep raising the stakes until you inevitably win and "bank" them. banking people is completely irrelevant and has little to do with skill. duelers pick their battles based on who has less money and then go around telling people they banked someone when in truth they won 1 coinflip after losing 5 of them right beforehand, simply due to their higher amount of wealth.
alternatively you can do usd duels which is literally equivalent to going on stake and booting up big bass hoping for a profit, like actually just go gambling atp



Ok, Basil, I'm going to simplify this a bit and make it easier for you to understand, since you already have a negative perception of what we are talking about rn.

For starters, I am directly replying to your posts within the bounds of which you are writing. My response is to what you stated in the quotes. I did not miss your point. The idea of coin flipping, to you, is based on the premise that we are surrounded by people with vastly different skill levels. So I'm going to give you a scenario (which is a true scenario because this is all ive done for the last 10 years).



*Ray 12 Enters Pub ABD lobby*

Players:
Ray12 - Tc- 10,000
Nine - Tc- 900,000
Rythm -Tc 3,000,000
Enclave -Tc 10,000,000
Froog - Tc 40,000

Ray12 asks if anyone wants to duel, Enclave asks how much, Ray12 says "10k?" enclave says "too little"

*Enclave will not duel until ray12 has more tc (so its worth his time)*

Nine, and Rythm are silent, they are playing a match rn

Froog says, "yea sure I dont duel but ok"

Ray12 wins +10k then 30k by upping the duel

Ray12 has 50k

Ray12 goes back and asks nine, nine says sure.

Ray 12 has to streak nine numerous times to not bank himself but get all of nines tc. If ray12 plays safe nine will get bored so they keep numbers high. Nine loses all 900k.

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I hope you get the point, it's gambling if we are at equal skill, its also completely up to you as the player to just not accept the duel. Nobody is forcing you. It's not luck, it's not a coin toss. If Ray12 lost to anyone leading up to banking the whole lobby, then it starts from zero. Nobody with 10kk is trying to pull 50k from you. They don't want that; they want everything. If you aren't good enough to duel, then it's not a coin flip. It's a skill gap. We are at a point in time where duelers havent chosen the lesser because that wont get your name out there. That won't tell people you're good. We can ALL see it and just not duel you.

To talk about dueling as if its just luck from both ends is honestly a slap in the face to those who spent time actually trying to get better at MP, usd dueling takes what you "worked" for and applies it. If you did a COD 1v1 for $1000 is that luck? A CS 1v1 for $2000, is that luck? Is that the point you were trying to make?

The habits of some duelers is gambling, but they didnt get to that point by bs'ing, they got there from labbing, watching. Losing losing losing winning winning losing. Again and again. You cant just make that up

There is a level of skill that I would like to see acknowledged. That's it. I've seen Duelers make fucking months' worth of rent off this game. There have even been a couple of them that funded their new life off this shit. They didn't coin toss their way into a better spot, they made one. That isnt achieved without being skilled and consistent in MP. Please do not make comments on something that you dont understand unless you are asking
Last edited by nine; Mar 29, 2026 at 11:35 PM.