Originally Posted by Riddles
How is that different from a turnover?
turnover is standing on one arm and throwing an opponent with another.
Originally Posted by Riddles
If you know how to play, you can easily turn contracted wrist to a disadvantage.
show/say how
Originally Posted by Riddles
I don't really know how to explain, but...By ungrabbing and grabbing again after a few frames you can create such a strong pressure that your opponent won't be even able to move. I still can't see how they are wrong...Well maybe it's just a question of what do you think is wrong and right.
just add the replay that shows it. cuz this is quite vague so far.
Originally Posted by Riddles
In a situation like that yes.(Oh and William lowered his arm, that kinda helped you to make a turnover and your leg didn't dq.) But why William didn't go for grab? He just lowered his arm making him an easy target for a turnover or a lift.
we made this replay just for explanation what turnover is, while ofcause it can be different, but the one thing stay the same: you use one arm to stand on ground and use another to throw opponent.
Originally Posted by Riddles
And turnover is not always a good choice. You can't just go for it every single time, it simply will not work.
of cause, but we were talking about situation when you got one free arm.
Originally Posted by Riddles
Well I will stop spamming this thread now, if you want to discuss it Snake, let's keep it to pm's.
why not? i will gladly discuss it here. afterall we aren't fighting.
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Originally Posted by TheSecret
>Snake signature move is "TEH CLAP" like most new players
new?... good joke. Especially when you hear it from a 5th dan.
Originally Posted by TheSecret
and rigth before that you posted a replay countering a shovel with a...wait for it.... clap, and you just lifted him, and you tell us to "learn to play", theres no skill, you learn to do that when your a green belt that got shoveled to many times.
that was a response to: "lots of shovelers at classic aikido", so i added replay with blocking it, and yeah, that was done by lift, since i tried to avoid my legs being grabbed.
Originally Posted by TheSecret
(on the same post)his actually rigth, shoveling and double grabbing doesnt allow you to move your tori or do anything agaisnt it hence the match not being interesting
i can honestly say this was mfw i saw this.
and what?
thats rather better to have more interesting matches, then lots of same mess with doublegrabs and stuff isn't it?
Originally Posted by TheSecret
oh and btw , excluding the replay with William, what belt where those guys in those replays? "< brown" ?
there are like 65 saved aikido throws replays and saved 8 spiritwrestling throws in my folder atm while 5/10 aikido matches i play are ending up with throws and head dq opponent inside the ring, 4/10 head dq outside 1/10 random. i can pick some with specific belt if you want.
Originally Posted by TheSecret
aaannd if you made this a discussion on the rigth board instead of this, it would be the smarter thing.
this is place for discussion actually.
Originally Posted by TheSecret
also, inb4 someone makes a "wehatelenshu3.tbmcuzithasgrabsandlenshuisn00bwith grabz" tread
don't worry i will make one later.
[On a lenshu note]
yes, i belive that playing lenshu with grabs is the lamest way lenshu could be ever played, even tho i'm not regular at lenshu.
lenshu.rpl
Or lenshu nograb is too complicated for you?
try to play nograb at classic aikido with comebacks on that small dojo.
balancing.rpl
this is what really hard to pull off.
or.. some helickicks may be?
heli+spinkick.rpl
or some standing fight?
ng standing fight.rpl
ah, wait, i forgot that you are playing only abd/lenshu.
ever heard about spiritwrestling?.. there is a big dojo here, tho you can't win by damaging opponent.
spiritwrestling.rpl
or stabjutsu?
stabjutsu one arm.rpl
[/On a lenshu note]
Originally Posted by TheSecret
and gl&hf with future of going org.
Thank you.
Last edited by snake; Feb 3, 2012 at 12:38 PM.
Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Originally Posted by TheSecret
Well i see your rather civilized, but this things are just a point of view and prefering to play tori in a certain way, thats why there are a shit ton of mods for it so people play whatever they want.
It wouldnīt be conclusive continuing this "point the better thing" fest, we just have diferent playing styles that all.
why not, just give some arguments against what i said or some arguments for abd.
and add replays, thats what i also mean by arguments.
To be honest, i'm quite upset that most of players these days play abd/lenshu, while these mods aren't the best in each mod category, and there are alternatives for mods and playstyle, while people stuck with these 2.
and about "point of view"
not the best example here, but still:
alot of players use openers at wushu, run and tripoding, while the fairplay at wushu can be described in few terms like: improv, comeback always, even if you are leading by points ( i can add no noobhugs, but whatever ).
i'm pretty sure you can agree with this statement, then why you can't agree or atleast give a try to play the way we are trying to promote here? Days back that was a standart (sambo->aikido), before introduction of bd.
once you tried and succed at impro, you would not use any openers anymore.
once you tried and succed at throws, you would prefer to pull it off rather often, if not using only throws,
even tho throws are rather easy to counter then suplex, there is a risc of elbows dq etc etc, but after you done it in match, you will feel like you actually did something, not just another 1 qi and 10 tc.
when i started to play aikido i used kicklifts etc, and i could probably end up like that and play like.. some of current 10th dans, untill i was told there are other and better ways, which i tried and use atm,
is that bad to try to show people that there are lots of other ways to play a mod and variations, which are way more enjoyable?
aren't games like that worth time you waste on this game?
while you balancing on the edge
stand save.rpl
while pulling off some throws
game1.rpl
using chance to saves
from fly to standing.rpl
or keep going
keep going.rpl
Anyway, you don't had to throw opponent outside, i always try to throw inside the dojo, so still there is a chance to save.
emm i don't save replays when i loose after throw, but belive me, even that happens from time to time ( actually quite while ;p ), i feel rather satified, then if it could be a 100% no risc win.
so, if there are some unwritten rules in wushu for example, why there should not be any at aikido? for the sake of good games.
anyway, why do i hate bd in this case? as i probably stated at 1st post, and as it was written at wikipedia, direct damaging is not what aikido is meant to be.
While abd setting encourage people to earn poings, and dm opponent.
Thats it.
Last edited by snake; Feb 3, 2012 at 01:17 AM.
Originally Posted by TheSecret
I myself go for a more destructive outcome in anymatch
bd was introduced to get rid of lifters, but it ended up as mod where people trying to dm each other.
Originally Posted by TheSecret
I do not agree why canīt one contract their wrists on the first turn, i see nothing wrong with it
here is a spoiler for you
why contracting wrists is gay and can't be considered as fairplay
Originally Posted by TheSecret
it is bad if you use such a negative way to teach people the other way, why not the "Finess at aikido org" or the "How aikido should be org" not all "Anti-BD ,BD haters org".
That was made to bring people attention, if this org would be called like "Finess at aikido org" would you stop here for discussion we got few posts above?
Originally Posted by Faint
Replays: Well, this one isn't that great, but it was the only replay I made within the last 20 minutes that DIDN'T glitch.
emm these gliched replays must be aikido7.tbm you need this mod to be able to watch it properly
will add mod section laterrr
Faint - valid replay --> accepted
Brains10 - valid replay --> accepted
cozzakill - invalid replay --> can't acept right now.
Last edited by snake; Feb 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM.
Originally Posted by TheSecret
Besides if aikido isnt about useing ur opponents force to disarm him and/or win, i just see a valid clap counter there from an aikido player trying to counter a clap, and there are other places more exposed when one does the contract elbow and wrist movement.
But why do you consider this unfair if its a way to get you more constricted then a clap? that wouldnīt even happen if you didnīt clap the "wrists contracting uke"
and besides the person isnīt cheating nor hacking just useing the functions that the game itself presented, how can such be consider foulplay.
If you clap and constrict their hands, how can it be fair for the other guy to actually move or do anything? Since he canīt simply avoid the grab like in real life.
You shouldnīt shun a movement that makes your useless.
i'm not. and this is not a problem for me, since i'm still able to lock his elbows.
the point is: wrists are one of the most essential joints in aikido. You can use em, but your opponent can't use em anymore. is that fair? and this is just a first turn.
I can also use wrists like that, but it would not leave much chances to opponent, thats why i use a clap, thats why i always try to throw opponent inside the dojo, not throwing him far outside, where there is no chances to save.
fairplay
or i can start in rather vantage point ( i mean other position of legs, then just relaxed ), play with forced suplex all the time, where there is no risc for me at all, and don't bothering myself to spin the opponent in the end and get 1 more qi and 10 tc, but is it worth it? ( spin on throw is risky already and at this moment if opponet will counter you you are getting dqed in 5/10 times. )
i'd rather risk, have a nice match but loose, then win without leaving any chance to opponent. sportsmanship.
for the sake of good game.
as i said, and as i stated on first post: game, replay > win/loss. i don't care did i won or not. there is no such things as win/loss to me. there are only: done everything correct or failed something.
if ok then play more, if no, then just wait. ;)
also about this:
Originally Posted by TheSecret
well first off, abt the wrists, if u dont clap he isnt going to grab you like that, second of after that, you can, 2nd turn ungrab contract your wrists , 3rd turn grab, 4th turn ungrab, since his wrist joint is so exposed you can actually apply enough stress to it so it unbreaks.
there are other aikido-like mods then aikido and bd, spiritwrestling for example, where you can't harm your opponent directly, there is a wrists dq, and such move give rather more advantage. But again, is that's a fairplay?
but hey, you can counter it with torsograb! and what do you have in the end?
2 players stuck into one piece with doublegrabs
is that's a good game?
Last edited by snake; Feb 3, 2012 at 12:20 PM.
