Allowing people to use whatever bathrooms/accommodation/whatever they like according to "what the identify as" which can be lied about can lead to issues. Here are 2 famous recent examples http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/05/transg...mates-6429321/ and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39337805 - I know criminals and the military are 2 very different sets of people, but the point is that problems would very well be able to arise.
Although its obviously unprovable whether they lied it raises questions as to whether people should be allowed to effectively choose what sex of prison they want to be allocated to. In a similar line of thought, being able to choose what bathrooms you use could be an issue as has been shown multiple times in cases such as this https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/u...voyeurism.html .
On the topic of physical tests, transgender men choosing what tests they want isnt a problem since they have the phsyical attributes and hormones of females since that is their biological sex. The issue is with transgender women, who have the physical attributes of men being tested by easier standards than they should be.
Although its obviously unprovable whether they lied it raises questions as to whether people should be allowed to effectively choose what sex of prison they want to be allocated to. In a similar line of thought, being able to choose what bathrooms you use could be an issue as has been shown multiple times in cases such as this https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/u...voyeurism.html .
On the topic of physical tests, transgender men choosing what tests they want isnt a problem since they have the phsyical attributes and hormones of females since that is their biological sex. The issue is with transgender women, who have the physical attributes of men being tested by easier standards than they should be.
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It's a tough subject, but those cases are definitely in the minority. A homosexual could also have "inappropriate behavior" with a member of the same gender, and that to me is no different than a trans person having intimate relations with a member of their new gender. By separating males and females you can't prevent these sexual acts taking place if you allow homosexuals in, and that's sort of the same logic when you let a transgender person in to the military.
If you allow one, then you should allow the other. People who argue that being transgender is a mental illness are thinking that it is unnatural and out of the ordinary, but so is homosexuality.
Also, it might be expensive to accommodate for transsexuals as opposed to homosexuals, as trans require extra measures in place, but I don't think that money is something to be niggardly over when people's rights are concerned.
If you allow one, then you should allow the other. People who argue that being transgender is a mental illness are thinking that it is unnatural and out of the ordinary, but so is homosexuality.
Also, it might be expensive to accommodate for transsexuals as opposed to homosexuals, as trans require extra measures in place, but I don't think that money is something to be niggardly over when people's rights are concerned.
Last edited by Wicked; Sep 11, 2017 at 11:01 AM.
There is no reason why transgender people can't be given a place in the army, so that comparison is dumb. Colourblind people maybe can't fly planes because they can't see the bright lights on aerial towers or something. The only arguments people make against transgender people in the army are fiscal ones, like "Wehhh, it'll cost too much money." Or "Wehhh, we'll have to make some slight changes in how we do things."
Arguments about the mental health/stability of transgender people I don't consider legitimate, BTW, for the reason I gave in another post above concerning homosexuals.
Arguments about the mental health/stability of transgender people I don't consider legitimate, BTW, for the reason I gave in another post above concerning homosexuals.
Last edited by Wicked; Sep 13, 2017 at 10:12 AM.
Originally Posted by Wicked
There is no reason why transgender people can't be given a place in the army, so that comparison is dumb. Colourblind people maybe can't fly planes because they can't see the bright lights on aerial towers or something. The only arguments people make against transgender people in the army are fiscal ones, like "Wehhh, it'll cost too much money." Or "Wehhh, we'll have to make some slight changes in how we do things."
Arguments about the mental health/stability of transgender people I don't consider legitimate, BTW, for the reason I gave in another post above concerning homosexuals.
And what is that reason? 'Well, we let homos in, so what's difference''? Being homosexuality and trans are two very different things and they have differing effects on your biology and mental health.
Homosexuality is just people deciding who to stick their dick into (/open pussy for). Trans is a serious form of body dysmorphia - A legitimate condition.
You shouldn't regard them as two sides of the same coin, they're different beasts.
In case there's confusion, my position on this is that a decent amount of trans people aren't stable, so, like everyone else who wants to join the military, they should pass the psych exam. Also, they should be at a stage in their transition where they don't require many medicines or supplements, again, like every other applicant.
Last edited by Ele; Sep 14, 2017 at 02:09 AM.
Why do you regard "a decent amount of trans" as mentally unstable? Seems like a massive sweeping statement based upon no evidence but stinking of your own personal bias.
Trans people experience more depression, body issues and suicide because of how they are mistreated. Placing tight regulations on them joining the army is hardly going to help this.
Trans people experience more depression, body issues and suicide because of how they are mistreated. Placing tight regulations on them joining the army is hardly going to help this.
Last edited by Wicked; Sep 14, 2017 at 02:16 AM.
